Speaking from 22 years military experience that started in 1968 when the Army still had WACS, I can tell you we never asked for women in our combat units, did not want women close to our combat units, nor did we want them in our combat support or combat service support units.
We would gladly send them packing now.
But, unfortunately, we can not survive in today's Army without them in the combat support and combat service support units. There are not enough men enlisting to fill all the positions.
As for sending mothers into combat, even those who "wouldn't have joined the Army "if I'd known this was going to happen' ", I say too bad. They had better read the fine print in their contract - it does not say "No Hazardous Duty."
Women want equal rights, looks like to me they are getting part of it. Having commanded units with women soldiers, I can tell you they have it easier than the men. They have easier physical requirements, easier field conditions - have to give women soldier a shower at least every 7 days to reduce yeast infections - no such requirement for men. Pregnant soldiers are non-deployable and seldom go to the field on training exercises.
Personally, if women want to play in a man's game, treat them as true equals - no special PT rules, no separate latrines, no separate sleeping areas - no expensive modifications to ships or airplanes. Don't want to poop, shower, sleep with the boys, don't play the game. E.W. Major, SF, USA (ret)
I served & fought in Vietnam during 1968 - 1969. I recall, or perhaps it was one of the "out of body experiences", that because of the WWII Sullivan brothers unfortunate deaths, there were rules or regulations prohibiting the same family members from serving on the same ship, the same engagement etc. I seem to also recall the rule that the "only son" of a family could not be expected to fight in combat , since he would no longer be able to carry on the family name if killed in action?
Does the nature of an all volunteer Army change the above? P.B.
A revealing report and one that should be listened to...Women have no business in Combat despite having arms and legs...There is more to it then simple mobility JRN
This story is exactly why woman and conciousness objectioners have no place in the military to begin with. Being a man that has served in the U.S Navy I can tell you that men do not want women in the military at all and it is not Nazi Feminist putting the pressure on politicians it is the women in the military demanding equal treatment until it comes time to go to war and even then women are saying they should be able to go into the combat arena so if they survive they can earn medals that will look good in their training jacket and any application to college they make using the G.I. Bill. I have seen small 5'5" 110lbs men be required to lift a piece of equipment into the nose of an aircraft that weighs 75-85lbs by themselves and if they can't do it they are told to hit the gym and get to the gally and eat more to put more muscle on or get out while women that are 5'10" and 160lbs are given help and understanding. Anyone man or women that joins the military thinking it is another job like McDonalds needs to be shot. What kind of moron joins any branch of the service and thinks I will never go to war or be in combat? That's what the military does is go to war, fight people and you expect some of your friends and yourself to not come home.If you do come home you thank GOD and people that don't believe in GOD suddenly do. Men all through the ranks of the service and even politicians have for many years tried to keep women from combat roles due to the fact they feared if captured that instead of regular torture they would be raped and become pregnant from their captor , then have to make the choice of having an abortion or carrying the child to birth and giving it away . Women demnad eqaul treatment until it comes time to get down and do the dirty work and suddenly they are no longer qualified. Our military would have few if any women if there truly were equal treatment from day one . Women are not required to run the mile and a half as fast as men or do as many pushups , situps etc. depending on the branch of service. Why do you think there has never been a female Navy Seal, Green Beret, Marine Recon Special forces? Because these special units do not drop their standards for anyone regardless of Race, Sex, or Religion. These units give truly equal treatment to everyone. If you want to rant about women in the military and moms dieing in combat then counter the Femi Nazis and stage a Million Mom March to stop the admittance of any women into any branch of the military for any reason. Or have your congress person introduce legislation that as part of the entry questions for joing the military that it ask if you have custody of a child and if that question is answered yes then sorry you can not be considered for service. D.S.
Shame on the Pentagon! Shame on the generals! And especially, SHAME ON THE FEMINISTS! Bravo, Phyllis on another excellent column! S.K.
Loved your column but it should be addressed to the politicians who forced women into a combat role. I am a retired Air Force Colonel that flew over 100 combat missions in Vietnam. I recall how feminist forced women into nontraditional and irrational roles. Their unisex idea makes no sense. We are different, and thank God for that difference.
I recall the publicity when Republicans tried to fight the women in combat roles. The press and the Democratic majority frequently described them as trying to maintain the "old boys" network. In my 23 plus years of military service I never encountered a single senior officer who voiced support for women in combat.
Again, I think your point is very well taken, women DO NOT belong in combat. If certain women insist on being there, then at least legislate that mothers or pregnant women are prohibited from combat.
The only military people who deserved to be criticized are those senior officers that put political considerations ahead of military and humane ones. Col. F.J.E. USAF (Ret.)
I just read and made copies of "DOES THE MILITARY HAVE THE NERVE TO CELEBRATE MOTHER'S DAY?"
I was a WAVE Hospital Corpsman in World War II, and your email hit a nerve. I served my country to replace the Male Pharmacist Mates who went to war. I worked 14 hours a day and stood Starboard and Port special watches at night for the pay of $51.00 a month. My role was to replace the Navy Hospital Corpsman who went into battle with our troops. This I did because this was my country and my way of serving in time of war.
However I agree with you that it is wrong, wrong, wrong, to send these young mothers into battle. A fighting war is a mans world, and there are so many other ways that patriotic females can serve their country without being put into harms way.
I am going to see if I can get my local paper to reprint a copy of your email and send a copy along with my comments to our President, Congress and Senate.
God Bless you for speaking out!!! K.G.
Enjoyed your April 30 e-newsletter concerning "Military Mother's Day."
We live in a role reversed, gender neutral, unisex, gender blender society. The military has now been feminized. Women are regarded the same as men and have the same benefits. It is indeed sad when a mother is killed in combat such as the Indian woman from my state of Arizona. She is regarded as a hero. I believe when a man is killed in combat he is a hero. When a woman is killed she is not a hero, but rather a victim, a victim of feminism.
God has given the office of protector and warrior to men, it is built into guys to protect women. Satan reverses everything and now the office of warrior and protector is being filled by women. You ask what kind of man would allow a woman to check for a prowler at 2 a.m.? The same kind of man that would allow his wife to be a cop. Picture a women cop and her husband, a computer technician, in bed and they hear a noise downstairs. It then falls on the woman cop who is operating in the office of protector to check it out while the man huddles under the covers.
It is interesting, that all these women mentioned in the news, did not join the military out of a sense of patriotism, they joined for what they could get free from the government. The Lynch girl's own father stated she joined to get an education.
Dr. Dobson pointed out in the first gulf war how sick it was to see women in the military handing off children to their stay-at-home husbands. Indeed society is even making cases for husbands to stay home with the kids while their wives work, many times making more money than the husband. Once again, we see gender role reversal, the maternal assuming the hunter-gatherer role while the husband tries to fit into the mama role.
It is at this point I look at things a little differently. Yes, it is sick and perverted to send women into combat, however, they now have identical status and benefits as men in the military, how then can we state they should not have to be placed in combat? They are regarded as men and should assume the same roles as men. I could not believe how many women are in todays military and receiving the benefits - let them assume the same roles as men. They go through the same basic training (but with green stress cards, and don't really have to scale the walls and can walk instead of run). The military regards them the same as men and yet they are exempt from registering for the draft. They get to have their cake and eat it too!
Women have become the dominant gender in this country and the men just lay down. There are more women in all colleges than men, including law. The county attorney offices, training grounds for lawyers, are mostly women. Most local radio and tv news media are women. You can have two female anchors on a tv newscast but if you had two men the feminists would cry foul. They have moved into the ranks of the police departments and are achieving high levels of authority over men. The same with politicians. Men seem to be just disappearing. In Arizona the top-five political jobs, from the governor on down, were held by women until the last election - and men voted them in. Television programs generally depict the woman as superior, smart and in control. Policemen frequently have a woman supervisor. It goes on and on.
Evangelical feminism has now moved into the church, with women in unscriptural spiritual authority over men, sometimes including their husbands who may not be pastors themselves, yet he is supposed to be the high priest of the home. There are no more "pastors wives" because many of them have become ordained co-pastors. You cannot co-pastor a church any more than you can co-head a house, and yet this is becoming more and more the case in our churches. The Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood (http://www.cbmw.org) is one group attempting to restore scriptural intigrity to the church concerning gender issues.
"Deva" radio programs are springing up. I don't know what a "deva" is but when they say, "If you can't beat us, joint us" it doesn't sound good.
Well, just letting off steam. Thanks for all you do. I believe I heard you on a local radio station recently called "Straight From The Hip" KVOI, Tucson. The week before the host was interviewing a female pilot and he was just falling all over her. It made me so sick I shut it off after three minutes. I was glad to hear you on the following week.
In Christ Jesus B.P.
Why are you down on the Military? It is the feminist movement that has caused this and the fact that the females joined up. They were not drafted!!! Get of this band-wagon because your wheels are not holding the weight.
Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." 2nd President John Adams.
If God be for us, Who can stand against us? E.M.
I agree with you about women on the front lines. However, it is difficult to justify the "welfare status" of so many who join the military, draw the same wages (sometimes more) as do men, supervise and control men, without also expecting them to fight like men.
The whole situation of "equality" has led to some very convoluted concepts. Nevertheless, I agree with your article, and wonder about your question as well. H.S.
I am going to take issue with you on this matter
First of all, let me say that I am not a feminist. I never wanted our girls in the military in this capacity, and I certainly don't want my daughter or granddaughter over there. It is bad enough to have a grandson over there.
But let's don't blame it all on the men in congress. Lets put the blame where it belongs, on the feminists - on the young ladies that joined. They know, or should know, the way the military is set up today that there is a good chance that they will have to be in this situation. They need to think about this long and hard before they join up, just like our guys do.
Yes our congressmen let the feminists push this on us, but we have got some strong women in the legislature. And where were WE when this was happening? If we had of been fighting as hard against it years ago as the feminists were, we probably could have stopped it. So let's not put all of the blame on the men. L.H.
Great article Phyllis! If only our military and politicians had your courage to take on the feminists! O.K.
I hate the fact that there are women in the military PERIOD. I do blame our politicians for allowing this...however if a single mother joins some faction of the miltary she is not providing for her children. I say yes blame the politicians and themilitant feminists but the single mothers putting themselves in that position are more to blame. What happenned to accountability? Why should these single mothers get an easier ride for the same pay because they have children at home? Wrong. You join the military as a single parent you are a fool and not caring for your kids. There will be more wars to come and more mothers dying in combat. No woman should be in the military as a cook or in any other capacity. My husband is on call in the Army, we are waiting for the call at any minute for him to replace troops already there. he will leave behind a downs syndrome child who loves her daddy...why is it more acceptable for him to be a man to die and leave a child than a woman, I am not this child's mother? This is the job they take, they know the risks.
I say if they are going to get the same pay as the men the take the same risks.
If you are a single parent do not join any faction of the military and risk leaving your children as orphans. K.C.
I am so tired of people like you writing these articles about women in the military being in combat, or just being separated from their children. If you are a man or woman in the military you have to fill out a form that designates who is responsible for your children if your are deployed, so this woman with the 21 month old child knew this was a possibility. All of you that write these articles have to realize that being in the military is not anything like being in a civilian job, and laws that cover civilian jobs don't apply to the military, and shouldn't. When one is in the military they are serving our country and both men and women take the same oath of protecting our country. It's not the fault of anyone but the women that are in denial that think they won't be separated from their family. All have been briefed many a times about the possibility. There is no "anti-motherhood" policy in the military. When a female gets pregnant she has the choice to stay in or get out of the military all the way thru her pregnancy and up to the day she is to return to duty after giving birth. As for Lori being a single parent when she entered the Army, she was told of the risks before joining. She was also in the Junior ROTC, so she knew more then you think she knew. And as for radical feminists that wouldn't even serve in the military making this happen, you are so wrong. It was women in the military that fought for this right for many years. I served in the Air Force for 20 years, I am not a radical feminist, I kept my bra on while the radicals were burning theirs'. Those that join the military with the thinking it's just another job, don't belong in the military in the first place. And the women that aren't informed about being deployed before joining will find out after they join, and for sure get out of the military if that's not for them. Let the women make their own choices, not the choices you want them to make.
As for pro-family groups. You have no place in judging the military. You have no idea how the military works or is run. P., retired USAF 1974-1994
I recently read the article that Phyllis Schlafly wrote concerning mothers, especially single mothers, serving in the military. I will not deny that it is a hard road that these women are choosing. The fact is, though, that when ANYONE, man or woman, volunteers for military service, there is ALWAYS the chance that something could happen. It doesn't matter if they are cooks, computer operators or infantry. They are ALL trained with weapons and in defense tactics because the job of the military is combat. Not everyone sees combat but when the call comes, the possibility exists.
Perhaps it would be better to go back to the days when if a young, single woman turned up pregnant, she would be discharged from the military. Maybe it would be better yet to have an all-male military service where women would not be allowed to volunteer at all. But then, I have known single fathers who have been called up to go to Iraq on short notice leaving their children behind in the care of others. Should they be discharged as well?
These servicemembers, men and women alike are doing the best they can for their families. No, the conditions are not ideal, but no one is compelled into service, they volunteer to support and protect our country. They join for many reasons and they stay in service for many reasons. Some of those reasons are job security, job training, and free medical care. In the uncertain world today, these are things that no one takes lightly.
It is unfortunate that ANYONE has to die while in military service. It is a tragedy and one that touches every military family because we all know that it could have been our servicemember. But by and large, if you ask any military family member, they will tell you how much they miss their loved ones, how they pray for them daily and how very, very PROUD they are of their husbands, wives, daughters and sons. D.J., Proud wife of a US Marine
This article completely misses the point that the Military did not create or endorse a policy that was developed by politicians in response to feminists and liberal media pressure. The generic term "Military" implies that all of us in the military are part of single being that processes one thought and makes these grand social experiment plans on our own. You should realize that these things are crammed down our throats. Does anyone think that there is capability of the Military to stand up to Congress or the President and say "No, we aren't going to execute your plan." Remeber there were several officers who's careers were terminated simply for calling a liar a liar during Clinton's rule. The Military works for the civilians, PERIOD. Put all the blame and shame where it belongs . . . J.L.
. . . Our military is all volunteer. Both men and women join for the benefit to them. Most for the education and training. But you can't join the MILITARY and then complain because you have to do your duty, man or woman. Women have pushed for this "equal treatment" and the men see that there is no "equal" treatment." If a women wants a family, then stay out out the military. Men have to leave their familes all the time "to do their duty" and we don't think anything of it but when a women does it she is some kind of hero. I don't want women in combat but I don't want the men treated in any less manner just because they are men. Your column is right in that the militant femenists push for things they would never do, but don't start laying the blame on "the men of this country." I'm sure if the men would have it their way, the women would not be combat. M.N.
I read your email, DOES THE MILITARY HAVE THE NERVE TO CELEBRATE MOTHER'S DAY", and was very moved after reading it. I was aware that we had two females captured, but was unaware that one mother with two small children lost her life. It seems that our media played down that info.
My concern was great because I was a Navy Wave Hospital Corpsman in World War II.
In World War II, the females were not asked to fight. We replaced the men on the home front so they could go overseas and get the job done. I worked 14 hours a day and stood night watches on critical patients for the sum of 51.00 a month at a states side Naval Hospital. I was doing a necessary job that released the men Hospital Corpsmen to attend the wounded overseas. I strongly feel that giving a female a gun and expecting her to fight with the men is WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!!. She is very vulnerable serving in that capacity, and there are so many other needed jobs that she can fill.
Asking a young mother to abandon her two young children and submit herself to the horrors of fighting a war is criminal. Now she has been brutally murdered, and the children will never know the love of their mother.
Thank you for writing your email, and bringing this to my attention. I feel that I should send a copy of your email and my email to the attention of President Bush. In my opinion, this is a black mark on the United States that our females serving in the military have to endure the indignity and horrors forced upon then while serving their country.
If the feminist brought this shame upon our women serving in the military, the Feminist be Damned, and this order must be changed. F. K. G., Navy Hospital Corpsman, World War II
The excuse of "I wouldn't have joined the Army if I'd known this was going to happen" just doesn't cut it. What did she think soldiers do--knit booties, flip hamburgers?? This equates w/"I wouldn't have slept w/him if I'd known I was going to get pregnant", (so now I deserve an abortion.) Come on, women, THINK. Get in charge of your lives. . . J.M.